Tuesday, February 23, 2010
Week Four: Presentations on "Inventing the University" (Bartholomae) and "Revising Attitudes" (Dethier in Acts of Revision)
Your focus on this assignment should be the connection between the rhetorical parts (genre, purpose, audience) to the whole argument. Read the handout from class before writing.
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In "Inventing the University" Barholomae directs himself to the teachers. He wrote this in an educational article. In this article his main purpose is to help students write. He wants students to write from "a position of privelege" (pg. 407) He shows different examples of essays and how some students do imagine themselves in that position and students that don't.
ReplyDeleteIn "Revising Attitudes" Dethier directs himself to students. He writes in a book format. In this first chapter of the book he explains to students that revising is important. His main purpose is to get students to revise. He believes revising is a very important part of becoming a successful writer. Dethier hopes to improve "your attitude toward revision" (pg. 1)
Both of the authors' agree that there is improvement needed in First Year Composition students. They both come to an agreement that students are just writing because they have to, not because it interests them. The difference is that they both have different approaches on how to improve their writing skills.
Cameron Miller
ReplyDeleteDr. Chalaire
English 1301.20
February 26, 2010
Revising Attitudes and Inventing the University Presentation
Well, I will be talking about genre for my group. In both of these articles it is pretty evident that they are non-fiction. Neither one are about crazy unbelievable stories but on things that have happened and the theories of the writer. I believe both are on the informative side. “Revising Attitudes” is mainly on revising and the techniques to make a good paper. I am not too sure if this could be considered first person, but it is not very formal. He acknowledges the reader exists and gets the reader involved by call on the reader a lot. It is saying the same thing “Eat like an Owl” is to the extent of a good writer revises. Both of these articles come from the same textbook Acts of Revision A Guide For Writers. This book is aimed towards the beginning writer or college student. “Inventing the University” is written in first person from the standpoint of a professor toward other professors. I would not consider it formal. He seems kind of angry or it seems that way because it is argumentative. This article can be found in a book called When a Writer Can’t Write: Studies in Writer’s Block and Other Composing Process Problems. Both of these articles can be looked at as persuasive in there own way. One is trying to tell students to revise and the other is telling professors a theory on teaching. And with that being said last it is now time for the audience or the purpose to take it away.
Presentation "Inventing..." and "Ch.1 Acts..."
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"What do all writers need to see, think, and do to improve our attitudes toward revision?"(6). He say's it in plain words what he's trying to do. He wants the writer to experience that when you revise something and you give that paper. Its final form, the feeling you gain from knowing it's exactly how you want it. David Bartholomae is in his own way telling these students to revise their words and make sure everything connects and flows properly because if not you might risk giving yourself away as an inexperienced writer. In both articles their clear purpose is to almost persuade you to understand that revision is needed. Bartholomae gives examples in order to give others a way to relate,a way of seeing what level they're at. Dethier writes as if he is talking to you, he has a word choice that makes you want to read what he has to say.
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ReplyDeleteJennifer Resendez
ReplyDeleteDr. Chalaire
ENG 1301.18
Date: 3-4-10
Inventing the University
While I was reading, “Inventing the University” I felt that this is an article meant for teachers. At first I was not sure whom it was meant for but as I continued to read on I realized it was meant for teachers. The exact moment when I realized this was when I read “Students will not take on our peculiar was of reading, …” (408) this is when I was sure who this was meant for. Such it was meant for other teachers I was surprised that there were very few words that I did not know, unlike the reading by Wardle.
The first word I came across was idiosyncrasy and it means a characteristic, habit, mannerism that is peculiar to an individual. The next word that stood out to me is homilies, which comes from the root word homily, meaning an admonitory or moralizing discourse. The author uses this word to describe the way some students tend to write their papers. The third word I came to that I was not sure what it meant was expository. In the search of the meaning I found that, that word means serving to expound, set forth, or explain. In this part of the writing the author is explaining that in commonplace writing textbooks used for composition classes have only a specific kind of writing rules that are a bit dry. And the final word I read that I did not know was prose. The meaning of this word is commonplace, dull, and prosaic. In the reading the author is trying to explain about a student essay that he had included as an example earlier in his essay. He implies that in his opinion the essay is not dull or “prose”.
This reading was a bit easier for me to read unlike the article written by Wardle. There were not to many words that I was unsure of what they meant. However, it was in the beginning difficult for me to understand the purpose and audience of the writing.
Cynthia E. Martinez
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Eng. 1301.20
“Inventing the University” by Bartholomae and “Revising Attitudes” by Dethier.
The purpose of these two articles, “Inventing the University” and the first chapter of “Acts of Revision”, is to encourage students to be more interested in writing. This is because both of the authors said that the students need improvement in writing, specially the First Year Composition students. Also is because the students just write because they have and need to. The authors differ on the strategies on how to improve the writing skills but the important part of this article is that they agree that the students should improve their writing skills, because they are very important and useful in school and in other parts of life.
In “Inventing the University”, the author said that every time the students have to write something, they would have to invent the university because they didn’t know anything about it and also because they have to use more sophisticated vocabulary like if they were talking with a lawyer, or somebody important. The author shows some examples of essays that students have done. This is an educational article and the main point of it is to help students to write.
In “Revising Attitudes” Dethier explains to students why is it important to use revision in all your works. The purpose of this informative and educational article is to encourage students to use revision, and this is because the author believes that if you use revision you would be a successful and good writer. Some important things that are mentioned throughout this article are revising and some good techniques to make good papers.
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ReplyDeleteThe purpose of the articles on Inventing the university and Revising Attitudes well the purpose is pretty much the same thing to teach students about English composition and how useful It will be for the years to come after first year composition, but they are presented in a different way. One being more understandable for the student which is “Revising Attitudes” while the other one being more for the higher educated like professors in “Inventing the university.
ReplyDeleteIn Inventing the university the sole purpose is for the teachers to know about the writhing and know how to teach it to the students in first year composition. The article talks about students and how they write because they have to and not because they want to, in other words just trying to get the work done and turned in for an okay grade. What Bartholomea is trying to do is get students to take revision more seriously and know that it’s an important thing to grasp on to for future purposes. This article was not as interesting to me as Revising Attitudes because I think it was intended for the professors.
In “Revising Attitudes”, which I actually enjoyed reading, its purpose was intended for the student. The way it was written and the choice of words made it really understandable well for me it did. In the article it talks about how students should revise. The article mentions some of the signs that students might have with revision and some of the sign matched me making me have a deeper connection with the article showing me that it was intended for the students. Dethier talks about many methods on which can make a student want to revise and make them have a different outlook on revision opening their eyes to the world of revision. He explains and gives different examples on revision that were more student based then on higher educated people.
JoAnn Granados
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English 1301.20
Inventing the University and Revising Attitudes Presentation
For my group I was covering audience, I believe that the audience intended for these two articles are mainly students, it could also possibly be for educators but mainly students. They focus on how student writers can improve their writing skills and what errors students make as writers. On Inventing the University it’s clear that he focuses on students and their writing when he states “The students have to appropriate (or be appropriated) a specialized discourse, and they have to do this as though they were easily and comfortably one with their audience,” by commenting about the students he points out that his audience is students and educators. On Revising Attitudes, Dethier does not specifically state that his audience is only students, as he writes he continues to state that “writers” need to improve their attitudes towards revision, not resist revision, and be creative. Although he points out many changes that can improve our writing he leads you to believe that his audience in general are writers not just student writers, or educators. The two articles do however have similarities in which they are both writing to educate writers of ways to improve their current writing skills.