Bartholomae and elbow conversation stir up some issues about the university. They both are very true, sometimes the professors find themselves in the same position. I find them very helpful when writing a paper for one of my classes because it gives me a sense of what the professor is looking for. It helps me fill in the gaps that elbow and bartholomae are talking about. For example both of them give off the impression that the university in some way is holding students back from their full potential, by not letting them just write in a free space, free from judgment. The students are reading articles and published journals, which makes them into summarizers or term paper writers rather than into expressive writers to some degree. Bartholame gives examples on how to clear your mind from the restriction of the university. Both authors share the same idea that the university’s curriculum has too many restrictions when it comes to what to teach and how much to teach? On one hand you have elbow disputing with himself because he doesn’t know what to teach because that would create another discourse. In other words progress toward one goal can regress progress in another. And then elbow asks how much to teach, who will be the one that dictates how much to teach? On the other hand you have bartholame saying that comforting and involving the student in readings, and treating them as academics within the conversation is the best way to help students fell more comfortable in the conversation, the writing conversation. In elbow case he needs clarification, and in bartholame he feels that the university holds back the student being able to use his experiences by only using “articles” to teach from. At the end when you see both of these articles you can depict certain ideas from the text and you will find out that they are the same ideas each writer is expressing.
Bartholomae and elbow conversation stir up some issues about the university. They both are very true, sometimes the professors find themselves in the same position. I find them very helpful when writing a paper for one of my classes because it gives me a sense of what the professor is looking for. It helps me fill in the gaps that elbow and bartholomae are talking about.
ReplyDeleteFor example both of them give off the impression that the university in some way is holding students back from their full potential, by not letting them just write in a free space, free from judgment. The students are reading articles and published journals, which makes them into summarizers or term paper writers rather than into expressive writers to some degree. Bartholame gives examples on how to clear your mind from the restriction of the university.
Both authors share the same idea that the university’s curriculum has too many restrictions when it comes to what to teach and how much to teach? On one hand you have elbow disputing with himself because he doesn’t know what to teach because that would create another discourse. In other words progress toward one goal can regress progress in another. And then elbow asks how much to teach, who will be the one that dictates how much to teach? On the other hand you have bartholame saying that comforting and involving the student in readings, and treating them as academics within the conversation is the best way to help students fell more comfortable in the conversation, the writing conversation. In elbow case he needs clarification, and in bartholame he feels that the university holds back the student being able to use his experiences by only using “articles” to teach from.
At the end when you see both of these articles you can depict certain ideas from the text and you will find out that they are the same ideas each writer is expressing.